Worn valve seals or bad piston rings?

Worn valve seals and bad piston rings can both cause your engine to burn oil. It’s a common enough problem with older engines and one that should be dealt with to avoid engine failure. But how can you tell if the problem is with the valve seals or the piston rings?

As a general rule, if the piston rings are bad then you will get continuous blue smoke from the exhaust when driving, which increases with increased RPM. If the valve seals are worn then the blue smoke will only be there when you first start the engine from cold or when you accelerate after the engine has been idling.

Sometimes, it can be difficult to tell exactly where the oil is leaking from without taking apart the engine, but generally, worn valve stem seals will leak more when the engine is cold. Sometimes if the valve seal is really worn then you may get blue smoke from the exhaust when you start driving after idling for a few minutes.

How Do I know if I have worn valve seals or bad piston rings?

Bad valve seals and bad piston rings will both cause excess burning of engine oil. The trick to figuring out which seals are causing the problem is to identify the amount of smoke coming from the exhaust and when exactly the oil is being burnt.

Bad valve seals and bad piston ring seals generally cause oil leakage into the engine cylinders during different engine conditions.

1. Worn valve seals

Worn valve stem seals will usually only leak a significant amount of oil when they are cold or when under extreme pressure. So generally speaking, valve stem seals will leak when the engine is cold (for example at first start-up in the morning) or when you start accelerating from idle or from low speeds.

Valve seals are normally made from a mixture of high-strength rubber, PTFE, and nylon. The resulting compound is highly resistant to heat and abrasion. However, they can harden and crack over time, resulting in a loss of their ability to seal the valve stems.

This leakage will be worse when the seals have shrunk slightly due to the cold. When the engine warms up, their expansion can help the seal to perform better.

Worn valve seals will also leak when they are under high pressure. When idling, the idle air control valve closes, creating a high vacuum in the manifold forcing engine oil around the seals. When the engine accelerates, this oil is then sucked into the top of the cylinders past the valve seals. This oil settles in the combustion chambers of the engine and usually burns off fairly quickly when you start driving again, creating a temporary plume of blue smoke from the exhaust.

2. Bad piston rings

Piston rings are cast iron or steel split rings that are fitted to the pistons in your engine. Most cars have at least 3 piston rings per piston and their job is to seal the combustion chamber and control the amount of oil that is allowed to lubricate the piston. They generally have a limited lifespan and can fail if they become contaminated by a build-up of contaminants from worn engine oil or combustion deposits.

Worn piston rings can not adequately seal the piston crown within the combustion chamber, and this will allow oil to find its way into the cylinder and burn when combustion occurs. Usually, worn-out piston rings will let a small continuous flow of oil into the fuel-air mix, resulting in a continuous blue color in the exhaust fumes.

In most cases, the oil leakage is caused by excessive wear of the oil control (scraper) piston ring. The oil control ring is oval in shape and its job is to scrape the oil from the cylinder wall and push it back down into the crankcase via the cylinder oil return holes.

Common symptoms of worn valve seals and bad piston rings

Bad valve seals and bad piston rings both display similar symptoms when the engine is running. Excessive oil consumption and blue smoke from the exhaust are both signs that engine oil is being burnt in the combustion mix. However, there are differences in the symptoms as follows:

1. Amount of Blue smoke produced

One of the biggest differences between worn piston rings and valve seals is the amount of blue smoke produced when driving. Worn piston rings will generally produce a lot more blue smoke because they are allowing a continuous flow of oil into the cylinder when driving. In contrast, worn valve seals usually only cause blue smoke after a cold startup or when accelerating after idling.

2. Excessive Oil Consumption

Most engines will burn a small amount of engine oil (up to a quart/ 1 litre) for every few thousand miles or kilometers driven. This normal oil consumption is caused by a small amount of oil finding its way past the various seals in the engine into the combustion chamber. As engines age and seals start to harden and leak, this oil consumption can rise.

If however your car is consuming a large amount of oil and is producing a continuous stream of blue smoke from the exhaust when driving, then this points to a worn-out seal or gasket. In general, a worn-out piston ring will cause more oil consumption than a worn valve seal. Along with the tell-tale blue smoke, if there are no obvious oil leaks on the outside of the engine or on the pavement, you can assume oil is getting into one of the combustion chambers and is being burnt off from there.

3. Lack of power under acceleration

Both a valve seal leak and piston ring leak will affect the performance of the engine. It is usually most noticeable under acceleration with an overall lack of power being the most common symptom. The lack of power is caused by a lack of pressure build-up in the affected engine cylinder. If the combustion gases are leaking from the cylinder, then compression will drop, leading to a drop in power output.

Performing a compression test will usually indicate if the piston rings are worn out or not. A low pressure reading usually points to a worn-out piston ring, whereas a higher reading that is near the normal range can point to a valve seal leak.

What next – How To test for Worn valve seals or bad piston rings ?

If your car is burning oil, has blue smoke coming from the exhaust, and has no obvious external oil leaks, then it is more than likely leaking oil internally.

It’s usually fairly easy to locate and diagnose a worn valve seal or piston ring. The most common technique used by mechanics is a compression test. This measures the amount of compression buildup in each of the cylinders. A lower than normal compression reading will usually point to a problem with a seal within the engine.

  1. Perform a wet and dry compression test on each cylinder. Start by performing a dry compression test on each cylinder. Remove each of the spark plugs and test each cylinder for leaks. As a general rule, most modern engine cylinders should have a compression reading of at least 100psi when cranked with a difference of less than 10% in the readings between the cylinders. If a piston ring is leaking then you will notice that one of the readings is considerably less than the others. To further confirm your results, follow the dry test with a wet compression test. This involves adding a small amount of oil (around 15ml) to the cylinder before repeating the compression test. The oil should act as a sealant around a worn piston ring resulting in a higher pressure reading. This should also rule out a bad valve seal or head gasket as the problem.
  2. Inspect each spark plug for oily deposits. A common symptom of bad valve seals is a build up of oily depsosits on the side of the spark plug that is facing the intake valve. If the piston ring is leaking then there will usually be more oil across the entire tip of the spark plug. Checking each spark plug can further confirm a leaking valve seal or piston ring.
  3. Check the dipstick tube for smoke. Sometimes if the piston rings are worn badly, some of the combustion gases can travel down into the engines crankcase. With the engine running, remove the dipstick and check for a smell of fuel or smoke coming from the dip stick holder.

Related Question – Worn valve seals or bad piston rings?

1. What do bad piston rings sound like?

Bad piston rings can make a range of sounds depending on the level of damage to the rings and to the piston. Most of the time the noise will range from sounding like a deep thudding noise to a metallic knocking sound. The noise will be linked to the speed of the engine, so increasing the revs will increase the frequency of the sound.

Ultimately, checking for bad piston ring sounds is not the best way to diagnose bad piston rings. Lots of other things can make the same sound. Some mechanics recommend dropping some oil into each engine cylinder to see if the extra lubrication decreases the intensity of the noise coming from the piston. This may help to narrow down the investigation, but you will still need to take apart the engine to inspect the piston rings in order to make a definite diagnosis.

2. Is it bad to drive with bad valve seals?

Yes, it is bad to drive with bad valve seals. Bad valve seals allow oil to leak from the head down into the engine cylinders where it can burn up and exit via the exhaust. If a lot of oil is leaking, then the spark plugs will become contaminated with oil and over time the tips will become clogged up with burnt oil deposits affecting engine performance.

There is also a chance that some residual oil will escape via the exhaust valve and contaminate the catalytic converter. You will also need to keep an eye on the engine oil levels and keep it topped up so that it doesn’t drop too low.

3. Can you replace valve seals without removing the head?

Yes, it can be possible to replace valve seals without removing the head, it all depends on the engine and the type of valve seals you are replacing, deflector or positive seals.

Replacing the valve seals will involve removing the valve cover along with any other covers and hoses that may be across the top of the engine. Once you have access to the valves, you will need to replace the seals one cylinder at a time.

It’s usually best practice to replace all of the valve seals even if only one is leaking. Before attempting to remove the valve spring, it’s necessary to fill the cylinder with pressurized air to hold the valve in place and to stop it from dropping down into the cylinder. This can be achieved by pumping air in through the spark plug hole. Once the valve is secured you should be able to remove the valve spring and seal and replace it with a new one.